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New Guy [17 Jun 2012|11:40am]
tom42107
Hello group, just joined up. Living in Tennessee. Work in the entertainment business. Love DIY tube projects. Been at it for about two years now. Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself.

Tom
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Sakuya Front End Design [19 Jul 2010|09:23am]

x_eleven
[ mood | accomplished ]

 


Once RL stops interfering and I can get this project going, the front end design will definitely be single stage: an LTP phase splitter/voltage amp up front driving source follower grid drivers. Since the 814s require just under Vp= 95V, you require a front end that can swing the voltage and do so with reasonable linearity. These are conflicting requirements, but VT designers have already thought of this, and provided several types designed for just this purpose. One of the best of the bunch is the 12BY7A -- a colour TV video amp. Given the nature of this service: wide voltage swings at a 4.0MHz BW, and the need to quickly charge capacitances at that rate, the 12BY7A will drive the 814s at audio frequencies just fine. The only draw-backs to the 12BY7A are that it likes to pull a lot more milliamps than the usual small signal voltage amp types typically used in audio equipment (for current hungry colour TV CRT cathodes) so they will require a stiffer active tail load made from power transistors. (Even though considered small signal, the 12BY7A runs more like a power type). This, in turn, makes for a high voltage requirement. This, too, is not a problem since colour TVs don't lack for sources of high voltage. Not a prob here since the 814s like 800VDC on the plates. Unforch, you can't run the front end from the 814 screen supply (VSGSG= 300VDC.) This will have to be a voltage divider tap-off from the main plate supply.
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Next Audio Project [30 Mar 2010|04:10pm]

x_eleven
[ mood | geeky ]

 


Once I get the Wolverine project completed, I've decided what to do after that one, once RL stops interfering with my plans. As much as I'd like to do one, I can not justify a hollow state OTL regardless of how elegant the Circlotron topology is. Using four or five 6BQ6s per phase to get a lousy ten watts or so makes no sense whatsoever. Make a Class AB2 807 amp? Is 80W really all that much better than 30W? The 30 WPC 807 Amp I already have is plenty loud enough, and I still haven't pushed that one to the max yet. an increase of 3.0db is just barely noticeable anyway. So why bother?

I'm still not all that interested in doing a solid state design just yet, and you still can't get those SiC power JFETs very easily and inexpensively either.

So how about really kicking up the output to some truly speaker-poofing levels? Another thing: the finals are surprisingly inexpensive.
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Wolverine Front End Redesign [05 Jan 2009|12:23am]

x_eleven

 


The main problem with this sumbitch is the need to swing the big volts (some 310VP-P) that the 845 requires since it's such a low-u type, while keeping the distortion down. These really are conflicting requirements. It's also nice to have some open loop gain for dropping in a bit of gNFB, which will sound like heresy to all the DHT fanatics out there. That, and the inclusion of SS circuitry really ought to have the audiophoolz howling. Who cares, so long as it gets the job done right.
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Tube guitar headphone amp [12 Jun 2008|03:50pm]

electronking
anyone got any good schematics for a tube based guitar amp that pushes headphones?
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[05 Jun 2008|09:10pm]

symbolith


A nice clean self-split EL84 PP/UL inspired by the Compact Power Hi-Fi Amplifier.

I've decided to use a pentode for a driver in order to be able to employ the NFB with acceptable amp sensitivity. Possible alternatives to EF86 are EF80 and EF184, although I do not know the typical RC stage component values off the top of my head for these tubes.
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[30 May 2008|07:48pm]

symbolith
[ mood | calm ]

Does anyone know where I can find ECC85 model that will work with LTSpice?

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[28 Apr 2008|11:00pm]

symbolith
Аs far as fixed biasing supply goes for the output tubes, does it make sense to regulate it using LM317 etc?

I notice that many famous designs like Dynaco ST-70 and even their modern kit incarnations simply use a half-wave rectifier off the plate transformer tap.

Maybe it should have small variations as the AC line voltage changes during different times of the day?

Appreciate thoughts and suggestions.
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[04 Feb 2008|10:21pm]

symbolith
Buyers beware of this seller. Tubes advertised as NOS - and what I got was tubes with visual varying degrees of use, in some cases with heavy black burn marks all over the glass, and others with faint, but still visible discoloration.

What should have been a "red flag" I guess is that for most of them they are not shown outside the box.
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Amp Tester [08 Dec 2007|04:43am]

x_eleven
[ mood | geeky ]

 


I whipped up this amp tester earlier this evening. This device consists of a linear subtractor and voltage amp. The idea is to sample the output signal from the gNFB summing node and subtract it from the input signal. Theoretically, whatever's left is distortion after you null the output by adjusting the input signal level. I ran some tests on the new project.

1.0KHz Sine (1.0mS / 5.0mV)



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This gives the best null, due to minimal phase shift at this frequency. Most of what you see on the screen is interferance from the 50KW AM BCB station about 30 miles north of my QTH. Residual distortion is pretty much swamped out by the noise.

166Hz Sine (1.0mS / 50mV)



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More phase shift, so that the null isn't so deep. The residual is quite sinusoidal. There are some faint switching glitches about half-way up the curve. This was running the finals a bit on the hot side: 55mA of cathode current, for about 17.5W of PD (PD= 12W according to the 6BQ6GTB spec sheet) so this isn't quite so far into Class AB as the design Q-Point. As expected, running hot improves the sonics.

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This looks like predominately h3 with the harmonic being somewhere between 0 and 180 degrees. Still not too bad, considering that this is reaching for the top of the audio band where OPT troubles start to appear.

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This is based on the NTE859 quad op-amp IC. These being low noise, low distortion, high slew rate, JFET input op-amps. The 33K resistors used in the subtractor are 1.0%, 0.125W, precision metal film. The rest of the resistors are your plain old garden variety 0.5W metal films. The whole thing runs off two 9.0V batteries wired for +/- supply. Still have the final voltage amp to wire up, the idea being that you can then listen to the residual to see what the distortion actually sounds like. If that doesn't sound too bad, then the distortion might not be too detrimental to the sonics.

A new and improved version would include a phase shifter for deeper nulls.
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Introducing Le Renard [28 Oct 2007|05:22am]

x_eleven
[ mood | accomplished ]

 


Earlier tonight, I was finally able to complete the construction of my new project: a nearly 40W monoblock based on PP 6BQ6s -- a TV horizontal deflection VT. Here it is in action as I was doing some o'scoping to check out the performance. Here's the data collected:
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Williamson Amplifier [24 Sep 2007|12:22am]

symbolith

So, today I finished a long-term project, an ultralinear amplifier using ECF80/6BL8 for line stage/phase inverter, Russian 6L6GB variant 6P3S for output tubes and SED 6D22S rectifiers.

Needs a little work balancing the phase inverter and line stage, but already works and I like it.



Current schematic.

Technical details coming soon.
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"Captain Video": The All Tee-Vee T00b Amp [20 Sep 2007|11:52pm]

x_eleven
[ mood | accomplished ]

 


I have finally been able to complete this latest project: a 36W monoblock that is based completely on cheap and readily available "Tee-Vee t00bz". The finals are Class AB1 6BQ6GTB horizontal deflection power amps designed for the wide scan, B&W CRTs that began appearing in the mid-1950s. Though rated like a 6V6 (PD= 12W for both types) the 6BQ6GTB can output a good deal more power without spec-busting. This is made possible since the 6BQ6GTB was designed to source big currents at low VPKs -- just what you want to move big currents through the horizontal deflection coils. Not only does it have a peak current way higher than a 6V6, it also has a much lower RL.

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So how do these sound? Based on listening experience, I'd say like a 6V6 on steroids. Even running open loop, with no negative feedback at all, there is very little of that pentode harshness in evidence. Except for some of the most difficult program material at the highest volumes, the nastiness is mainly audible by its abscence when you add the gNFB. Given how deep into Class AB, and the estimated h3, these sound surprisingly good. So good, in fact, that I dropped plans to include a local feedback loop.

Here are some open loop stats:

PO= 36W (8R) at onset of clipping
AVol= 55.56 (55 Calc)
VPP= 352V (350V Design)
VSGSG= 150V (150V Design)
VKK= -275V (-300V Design)

fh= 35.7KHz (-3.0dbv)
fl= 16.6Hz
h3= ~3.0% (5.0% Est)

Front End:

fh= 117.7KHz
fl= ~7.0Hz

12dbv gNFB:

fh= 50KHz
fl= 11.0Hz
AVcl= 13.6 (8R)

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The front end is a cascoded differential based on the 6BQ7A: another TV tube, this one designed for use as a cascoded VHF, small signal amp. The 6BQ7A has the advantage of having a highish gm that doesn't collapse too fast with decreasing plate current -- desireable for a cascode. Though it is not such a great audio tube that you'd want to use it in more "conventional" audio small signal amps, the linearity isn't all that bad. The trick here is to get the RP up, and to draw a decent amount of current. This, of course, requires a high DC rail. Even if the THD estimate from the loadline analysis doesn't look all that great, a differential cancels the even order harmonics. The cascode connection also seems to improve linearity.

There isn't very much information concerning hollow state cascodes for audio -- mainly sites devoted to guitar amps. Of course, fidelity isn't such a concern for this particular service. It was a case of "let's try and hope for the best". Of course, the topology is used regularly with solid state designs, so why not for hollow state as well? It works just great there too. If your design doesn't need to swing a big output (the cascode's main limitation) then there is no reason that this shouldn't be employed more often. It beats hell out of all the paraphase-type splitters, gives more gain than a triode-based differential, and certainly more than a cathodyne. By using this design, I was able to ditch a second gain stage "up front".

The cascode phase splitter is capacitor coupled to cathode follower grid drivers made from the 6FQ7 dual triode. This is basically a 6SN7 in a nine-pin mini bottle. These grid drivers serve two purposes. First, this allows DC coupling to the grids of the finals. This eliminates the "blocking" problem when the inevitabe transient comes along that drives the grids positive. If a coupling capacitor is used here, turning on the grid-cathode parasitic diode will charge that capacitor negative. That will put the finals into a less linear part of the characteristic until that excess charge leaks off. (This is how Class C RF amps derive most, if not all, of their operating grid bias.) Even if you don't actually hear obvious distortion, the blocking will cause noticeable sonic degradation. Since there is no capacitor to accumulate a charge, the finals can slip transparantly a bit into Class AB2, as the driver can source grid current. Transients simply are not heard.

The drivers also serve to source current into the finals' combined Ci + CMiller + Cstray. At the higher frequencies, the grids don't see the true signal level until these capacitances are fully charged. Charging these quickly requires current. This is the slew rate problem, and it doesn't just occur with solid state designs. There is no way that a high gain, small signal triode pulling sub-milliamp currents can adequately drive the grids of most finals. 12AX7As connected to 6V6s is a bad design. Yet you see that all the time. YUCK!

The 6BQ6GTB finals are operated in straight pentode mode. Given the very low screen voltage limitation, both Ultralinear and Pseudotriode operations are not practical prospects. If you are going to get the least distortion, then you need to nail down the screen voltage, and operate them into the lowest possible impedance. A series dropping resistor certainly is not up to the task, and neither is a voltage divider. The screens are supplied from an active regulator. This consists of a 6AQ5 trioded as the series pass tube, a 6KE8 triode/pentode error amp, and a 0A3/VR75 gas discharge tube for the reference voltage. This being adjustable so that the screen voltage may be set correctly. This regulator helps to attenuate residual ripple, maintain a steady voltage under varying currents, and to provide a Lo-Z AC return. Active regulation is seldom ever seen in audio designs, though rather common in RF designs. You will never see it in commercial designs at all.

So how does this collection of Tee-Vee T00bz sound?

Actually, very good indeed. Even running open loop, the main sonic defect is sloppy bass due to underdamping of the woofer. The highs are a bit "edgy", but there is none of that irritating pentode harshness that quickly wears you out. Not even with the most difficult program material, unless you play it too loud anyway. This meets design criteria number one: make the best open loop implementation before adding any gNFB. This is opposed to what seems to happen with all too much regularity: skimp on the open loop design and sweep those defects -- along with most of the musical detail -- under the rug with excessive amounts of gNFB.

When dialing in the full 12dbv of gNFB, that pentode harshness is noticed by its abscence. The background becomes quite clear. Bass stands out in fine detail, now that the woofers are under control. However, compared to open loop listening, music sounds a bit "subdued". For a production amp, this would be OK. For some types of music, it might even be preferable. Doesn't do Ozzy or Nirvana justice, however. Cutting the gNFB back to 6dbv or so is much better. That pentode edginess is still tamed, especially in the highs. Bass still packs plenty of authority without the sloppiness, and the apparant sound stage is expanded. The reduced gNFB really lets the music "come alive". Even though adding a feedback control means another knob to twiddle, it is a good idea after all.

I'd stack this amp up against anything made with "audiophool" VTs. Can a $1.30 TV toob stack up against a 6V6/6L6/KT66/KT88 &c that cost $One helluvalot more? You bet it can!

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6BQ6GTB Amp Makes Music [22 Jul 2007|03:04pm]

x_eleven
[ mood | cheerful ]

 


Did a final circuit check on the 6BQ6GTB amp. I did find a 100R resistor where a 100K was required, and replaced it before anything got poofed. It does pay to make certain everything is as it should be before powering up. Once that was fixed, I finally fired up the amp for the first time.

Even with no NFB whatsoever, this sounded damn good! I do believe that it was even better than the 807 amp was when running that without NFB. I think it's safe to say that the 6BQ6GTB is like a more powerful 6V6. Even though the 6BQ6GTB is a horizontal deflection type, as opposed to being an audio type like the 6V6, the sonics are amazingly good -- as good as the fabled 6V6 indeed. (About the only disadvantage is that it's impractical to run it as either a triode, or in Ultralinear, due to the very low screen voltage rating: 150VDC.)

There doesn't appear to be any noticeable distortion coming from that weird cascoded LTP either. This was a concern since there just doesn't appear to be any details concerning the sonics of a cascode used as an audio stage, and what little I did find didn't look good. Perhaps it works best with types, like the 6BQ7, that was intended for cascode operation. It looks like that was a really good choice indeed. So far, I'd describe the sound as being "accurate" and without "colouration" either from the finals or the front end. I played my most challenging material through it (Ozzy's Bark at the Moon) and didn't hear any of that usual pentode nastiness at all. The most obvious sonic defect is as expected: sloppy bass (most obvious with the DJ Vixen CD -- lots of bass-heavy techno). This, of course, will require NFB to improve the Zo and the speaker damping to tighten up the bass response. The other defect is that the OPT is a bit thin for the power output and it saturates out before the 6BQ6s can reach max power (it's a 30W xfmr, and the finals can do over 37W). Once that sumbitch saturates, the plate current really goes through the roof: 500mA on peaks. That's way too high, but that's what these horizontal deflection VTs were designed for: sourcing some big currents into the deflection coils. Yeah, I knew this was gonna be a problem; that's why it's a monoblock design. It looks like it's gonna be worth it to get some custom OPTs from Jack at Electraprint. We'll see once the NFB is connected.

Once Mouser gets the rest of my goddamn parts here, I can begin to take care of at least one problem: an oscillation that appears when you really crank it. Adding screen and plate stoppers will probably fix this. In operation, the screen regulator holds that screen voltage rock steady. This, too, really helps improve the sonics of any pentode amp.

Who says that these shitty Tee-Vee t00bz can't sound good? These really do, and for a fraction of the cost of audiophool VTs. Gonna order more before the audiophools drive the price up.
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[23 May 2007|09:12pm]

symbolith
Need help on recalculating the NFB values for the Dynaco low-power 6BQ5 amp

The original design extracts NFB from the 16-ohm tap, I only have 4 and 8-ohm taps on my transformers.

The thing is, the 1 K nfb resistor is also the bias resistor for the 12AX7 so it makes things complicated.

Anyone ever try to build this amp?
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OK let me try this again [28 Feb 2007|07:04am]

leedsradio
( Sorry for all the mix ups with my email. It should be working now. Click for details.Collapse )
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Looks like I'll be moving [18 Feb 2007|11:12am]

leedsradio
I have about 30,000 pounds of stuff and some of it has to go. If there is anything any of you need let me know. Prices will be very good.
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[14 Feb 2007|06:23pm]

symbolith
[ mood | impressed ]

A very rare find by a member of tubesound_ru - a couple of the original Soviet EL34 clones (a.k.a. 6P27S)

Actually, more 6CA7 clones than EL34, according to the book these were beam tubes.

No, these are not "Sovteks" or modern "winged C" Svets, or Electro-Harmonix - they are the original 1960s Svetlana versions (the third photo below shows them next to a Sovtek and a Chinese EL34). They never entered full production, only about 5000 were made before it was decided to discontinue the type (one of the tubes has "opytnaya" or "experimental" stamped on the envelope). I've heard that there were problems maintaining dissipation and screen voltage ratings and the Russian workhorse 6L6 equivalent (6P3S-E) was probably sufficient for most of the applications the tube would have been used in (no Marshall amps in 1960's USSR :))

So these tubes, while being listed in all Soviet era tube manuals, were something of an extinct species even back in the 1960s. Technicians heard about them, but never seen, some people believed they were a placeholder designation for rebranded (then Soviet-bloc) Czech Teslas and the actual tube never even existed.

I almost thought the same thing, until a member of our community posted this photo. These are probably not to be sought for their audiophile qualities (the line had problems and that was the reason why it was discontinued) but a rare version for display/collection nontheless.

Enjoy.

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My new toy [25 Dec 2006|01:23pm]

symbolith
[ mood | cheerful ]



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receiver schematic
power supply schematic


I put this little regenerative two-tuber together about a week ago. Due to running "on a budget" and using whatever parts I had, I stuck with low current "back-to-back 12 volt transformers" 160V power supply, and 6BL8/ECF80 to drive headphones instead of a speaker.

It covers 3-12 MHz and works pretty well after some tweaking and considering the simplicity of the design. I've logged many major shortwave international broadcasters, such as BBC, Radio China International, Voice of Russia, etc. with a simple 4-foot indoor antenna as well as CW and SSB transmissions on the 80-meter ham band.
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[18 Oct 2006|09:02pm]

symbolith
I've just finished putting together a Loftin-White, the schematic for which I found here (the original article is in Russian).

I used one 6J5GT and EL34 per channel.

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The output irons are One Electron UBT-3 (3K primary).

So far I like the way this SE sounds. Very detailed.

I have one concern - because of such a large drop across the EL34 cathode resistor, is EL34 really operating in class A? I measured 241-245 volts plate to cathode on each channel respectively.

The only change I made to the schematic, is putting grid stopper resistors before EL34 and instead of tying the screen direcrtly to plate, put the usual 100 ohm resistors there.
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