Talk:Mount Everest

Tibet, not China

Why have you replaced all references to Tibet with China? Mt Everest lies on the Tibet/ Nepal border. Not China, which invaded Tibet and is guilty of Genocide of the Tibetan Culture and People! 160.72.23.21 (talk) 14:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The UN's ICJ ruled in 1959 that Tibet was an independent nation in 1951, and ruled that it became independent again when it legally revoked the 17 Point Agreement. So, legally speaking, Nepal borders with Tibet on the north, not China.

We could correct the error but the locked page is protecting the errors.

Why is this page locked? 27.34.66.156 (talk) 17:28, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Disagree, Tibet is internationally recognized by the United Nations and all nations on earth as part of China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.220.159.215 (talk) 19:24, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2025

Change the missing citation following this sentence:

"However, this is considered difficult and dangerous (as illustrated by the case of David Sharp)."

to this link:

https://eightsummits.com/bills-articles/the-tragic-death-of-david-sharp/ Tk42juan (talk) 16:59, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

 Done using another source, since this is a blog and therefore most likely not reliable — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 21:51, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Babu Sunuwar's correct name

In the Aviation section, 2011: Paraglide off summit sub-section:

1. Use "Sano Babu" instead of "Sanobabu". Most references linked in that section show that "Sano Babu" is the correct form (except the abcnews.com reference, which uses 'Sanobabu' just once). His own website also uses "Sano Babu" (https://www.babuadventure.com/our-team).

2. Use "Babu" instead of "Bapu". All references linked in that section show that "Babu" is the correct form.

190.236.75.159 (talk) 05:20, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out! I've fixed both. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 14:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Environment

Everest’s glaciers provide vital water sources. Recent glacier mass studies in the Everest region show a significant acceleration of mass loss. Data from 79 glaciers indicate a change from approximately −0.23 ± 0.12 m w.e. per year in the 1960s to −0.38 ± 0.11 in the 2009–2018 period. The South Poll Glacier has thinned by approximately 55 metres since the 1990s, alongside reduced snowpack and increased solar absorption, which contribute to more rapid melt. High-altitude weather stations and recent ice core sampling are providing climate data from previously under-monitored parts of Everest’s upper slopes.

References

• Nature – “Mt. Everest’s highest glacier is a sentinel for accelerating melt”
• ScienceDirect – “Six Decades of Glacier Mass Changes around Mt. Everest”

Outdated sentence

"The move may happen by 2024, per officials." - someone should update this sentence in the climate change section 7takes (talk) 09:49, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Good catch, thank you! I've expanded the sentence with an additional source and information as to why it's currently not moving (well, not moving any more than the glacier moves it). NekoKatsun (nyaa) 15:36, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Mallory/Irvine sentence

I just undid an edit that changed "On the 1924 expedition George Mallory and Andrew Irvine made a final summit attempt on 8 June but never returned, sparking debate as to whether they were the first to reach the top." to "On the 1924 expedition George Mallory and Andrew Irvine made a final summit attempt on 8 June but never returned. In the absence of conclusive evidence, multiple research expeditions suggest that Mallory might have summited."

I prefer the original wording, which emphasizes the debate, as opposed to the updated wording, which (to me) makes it sound like he probably made it. We have no way of knowing, and probably never will, and there isn't to my knowledge a consensus - the first ascent speculation section of the 1924 expedition's page goes into detail about the various points of contention. Their clothes/gear, their route knowledge, the timing of their climb, the difficulty of the Second Step, etc.; if the greater scientific/mountaineering community doesn't agree, Wikipedia shouldn't emphasize one side over the other.

Thoughts? NekoKatsun (nyaa) 17:54, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

i havent read much on the topic and am therefore unable to argue about it. i edited the article since i felt "sparking debate as to whether they were the first to reach the top" was a non-encyclopedic and rather meaningless phrasing that bungled it in the same category as someone who goes missing at 6,000m, perhaps incorrectly. EnTerbury (talk) 17:13, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Your reasoning makes sense - "sparking debate" isn't the most encyclopedic phrasing in the world, I agree. How about changing "sparking" to "leading to"? That would give us "On the 1924 expedition George Mallory and Andrew Irvine made a final summit attempt on 8 June but never returned, leading to debate as to whether they were the first to reach the top."

I've read a bunch about it just because it's interesting; the short version is that (like I said) there isn't a consensus as to if they made it or not. We know that they tried, and we know that they died, but we don't know if they summited beforehand. If they did, that would make them the first summiters, beating Tenzing and Hillary by over 20 years! Modern climbers have tried the route they took in period-accurate gear and said that it could be done, but with a lot of caveats (the route would've been completely unknown at that time, and the summit pyramid is a doozy, especially at altitude). Both of them did have cameras, though, so if those are found it could confirm or deny if they made it. Mallory's body was discovered in 1999 and Irvine's was just found last year in 2024, but neither of their cameras have been found. It's pretty fascinating to look into; if you enjoy mountaineering history, you'd probably find it engaging as well. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 16:25, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

haha, i read for the same reason! very intriguing piece of history, would love to dig more into it one day. so aiu it rn, a summit is actually pretty likely given the overall circumstances. not at all a situation where they had like a 1,000m vertical climb left, but something quite doable, for them and for the time. but - no proof either way. how about we convey what a tertiary source says in summary? that would also remedy my other trouble that the current sentence feels a bit like synthesis to me - im not well-versed in wp-policies and what is allowed to do for a lead section. EnTerbury (talk) 18:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

The idea for the lead is to give a quick summary overview of the article, so summarizing the whole thing as "there's a debate" is acceptable (which is actually basically what the article body goes with, "Controversy has raged in the mountaineering community whether one or both reached the summit 29 years before the first confirmed ascent and safe descent in 1953."). The 1924 expedition page has a lot more detail and a lot more sources. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 22:26, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Has anyone commented on how fitting the name "Everest" is?

In the K2 article, there's information about how Fosco Maraini commented that K2 (that is, an impersonal name retaining the surveyor's notation) was appropriate for such a remote and not very accessible mountain.

Has anyone said (in a Wikipedia-worthy article) something analogous for Mount Everest - that this name choice is quite appropriate for the tallest mountain in the world ("ever + most")?

(Speaking of K2, has anyone also commented that the name is also appropriate since it ended up being the second tallest?) ~2026-14826-9 (talk) 05:30, 8 January 2026 (UTC)

Elevation

Ever being 29,040 ft (8,851 metres), elevation for "Mount Everest"? ~2026-13363-80 (talk) 07:22, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2026

In the section of the inset regarding translations of the names for Everest, Tibetan is incorrectly spelled "Tibetian." ~2026-33432-94 (talk) 01:51, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Fixed Tbhotch^™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 01:58, 6 June 2026 (UTC)